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Jeremiah Walgren
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Posted: 13 Feb 2006 12:59:27 am    Post subject:
Please note that the 89's memory status varies with the operating system installed. After 2.05, the memory summary given is correct. Previous to that, however, there were approximately 64K more in Flash ROM and a few more K free in RAM.

Also, Doors is an extremely outdated kernel. Version 0.98 is not the latest, either. It had to be updated to 0.99 in order to work with AMS 2.05. You can find that at the Doors Home Page.

Also note that another kernel worth mentioning is Universal OS. It is outdated, however.

AMS 2.06 was never released to the public. It was meant for testing on the V200. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I remember.)
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Posted: 13 Feb 2006 08:44:43 am    Post subject:
Then why isn't there discussion of a new 89 shell? I haven't tried PreOS though.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2006 09:33:07 am    Post subject:
woot, go for it.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2006 06:06:03 pm    Post subject:
Liazon wrote:
Then why isn't there discussion of a new 89 shell?  I haven't tried PreOS though.
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Possibly because many 89 programs, even assembly, are nostub, and easy to run without one.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2006 07:37:00 pm    Post subject:
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(I'm too dumb, so I make kernalless programs because I don't how to make kernel programs) :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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precisely, I guess Neutral
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Posted: 13 Feb 2006 08:13:22 pm    Post subject:
Liazon wrote:
Liazon wrote:
(I'm too dumb, so I make kernalless programs because I don't how to make kernel programs) :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:  [post="69745"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]


precisely, I guess Neutral [post="69870"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]


why did you just quote yourself?

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Posted: 13 Feb 2006 09:23:47 pm    Post subject:
Jeremiah Walgren wrote:
AMS 2.06 was never released to the public.  It was meant for testing on the V200.  (Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I remember.)
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True dat. Laughing

"2.06 - Internal development version for the Voyage 200, not publically released."
http://technicalc.org/tifaq/?glossary.htm

My fault.

Also, for the version of DoorsOS II, I went with the most current version that I could find on ticalc; it makes a lot more sense to go to the actual website (d'oh)... Rolling Eyes
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Jeremiah Walgren
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Posted: 14 Feb 2006 12:39:58 am    Post subject:
No worries on the DoorsOS. I mean, not many people think of going to the actual home site to see what's there. I only did it because DoorsOS was my first kernel and I had to make it work on AMS 2.05...
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Posted: 09 Mar 2006 08:13:22 pm    Post subject:
[83+]
ROM versions: also 1.19, now

83+ SE, 84+ (SE):
Total RAM: 131k (131072 bytes)
Usually only 32768 is used, but it has a total of eight RAM pages which usually go unused. Some programs such as Emu8x and Omnicalc use some of these for data storage. USB activity tends to erase these, but that can be avoided with a USB hook.

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kermmartian
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Posted: 10 Mar 2006 12:45:26 pm    Post subject:
So now that DCS is becoming an app, is it an official shell yet?
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Posted: 10 Mar 2006 03:04:31 pm    Post subject:
Taricorp wrote:
[83+]
ROM versions: also 1.19, now

84+ SE (regular, too?):
Total RAM: 131k (131072 bytes)
Usually only 32768 is used, but it has a total of eight RAM pages which usually go unused.  Some programs such as Emu8x and Omnicalc use some of these for data storage.  USB activity tends to erase these, but that can be avoided with a USB hook.
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on the 84+'s its now up to ROM version 2.40 (as was well publicized due to that new "feature"...)
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samnmax777


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Posted: 03 Jun 2006 11:51:37 pm    Post subject:
I noticed that when the stats of the 86 were up, the exact number of bytes wasn't listed, just for correction purposes, every 86 I've used (ROM v. 1.3, 1.4, and 1.6) have 98226 bytes of RAM. So I don't see why TI and everyone else claims it has 96k, seeing as how it has approx. 98k (by default, I assume). And as far as compatibility of shells with different ROM versions, on 1.4, mario v.0.91 (by Bill Nagel) caused it to crash when you exit using rascall (latest version).

P.S.- If you need info on the 86, feel free to ask, I wouldn't quite consider myself an "expert", but I know quite a bit.....
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sgm


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Posted: 04 Jun 2006 12:34:17 am    Post subject:
1 KB = 1,024 B

98,226 B / 1,024 B/KB = 95.92382813 KB ~= 96 KB

Q.E.D.

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Posted: 04 Jun 2006 03:54:05 pm    Post subject:
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1 KB = 1,024 B

Is this because 2^10 with 2 representing the possibility of 1 or 0 and therefore the exact ammount of memory to the switch? I've been wondering...
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Jim e


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Posted: 04 Jun 2006 06:10:59 pm    Post subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix

Until it was define kibibyte, it was usually consider a kilobyte = 1000 bytes when it comes to disk storage, and it equals 1024 bytes when talking about memory. Now Solid State Storage presents a conundrum. Razz
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Posted: 26 Jun 2006 08:21:52 pm    Post subject:
I use a TI-83+ (hmmm, what an archaic guy am i?)

I think DoorCS is the best, unlike MirageOS and Ion, you can open TI-OS ASM programs (or TI-BASIC if you like)

It is a program, not a Apps, but, even though, is it considered a shell, it does almost anything (locking, unlocking, arc/unarc, copy, rename, alouette)?

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Posted: 26 Jun 2006 09:04:23 pm    Post subject:
Actually, the latest version is an App and all future versions will be as well. I'm sure Kerm will be happy for the support. Wink
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Posted: 26 Jun 2006 09:15:54 pm    Post subject:
Fallen Ghost wrote:
I use a TI-83+ (hmmm, what an archaic guy am i?)

I think DoorCS is the best, unlike MirageOS and Ion, you can open TI-OS ASM programs (or TI-BASIC if you like)

It is a program, not a Apps, but, even though, is it considered a shell, it does almost anything (locking, unlocking, arc/unarc, copy, rename, alouette)?
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ION isn't an app either....of course DCS is now.
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Posted: 14 Oct 2006 05:15:29 am    Post subject:
Is there a complete list of calc shells / libraries somewhere for all TI models 73 through Voyage 200?

This is something I could make use of right about now, not just a list of what they are, but links to where they can be obtained as well.

--AlienCC
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Posted: 14 Oct 2006 07:27:39 am    Post subject:
Well, most would be located on ticalc.org, in their appropriate spots, plus DCS which Kerm has not released to ticalc.org yet, but can be obtained via http://dcs.cemetech.net .

If you want, I can work on that list tonight, when I have some time. Would you want the file info pages on ticalc, or the site that actually built the shell/library?
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