If I get some time, I will post the article I have in a magazine that I have here...
Chipmaster wrote:
Yes, yes it is. A notable scientist conducted an experiment, as shown in the film. It conlcuded that the likely hood of a successful phone call goes down exponentially as the height of the plan increases. I think I remember the chance of a successful phone call being made was less than 1%. I think you can agree that the chance that all of those were successful were quite low. Now I know you aren't going to take my word for it so take these:
http://www.rense.com/general56/cellpp.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/phonecalls.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html

Well, if there are 100 people on the plane who are repeatedly trying to call, then a 1% on any given call means that quite a few calls are going to get through. If I recall correctly, I believe 17 calls came through. That's not an unreasonable number by any means.

Chipmaster wrote:
There are many others but I would like to point out a few key lines:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html wrote:
Altitude and Cellphone Transmission

According to industry experts, the crucial link in wireless cell phone transmission from an aircraft is altitude. Beyond a certain altitude which is usually reached within a few minutes after takeoff, cell phone calls are no longer possible.

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/phonecalls.html wrote:
Despite the existence of poor arguments against the alleged calls, some of the calls from Flights 11 and 77 do seem to have the ring of fakery

That site has no credibility in my mind because it is not neutral. I do not think you will find any neutral sources that say that those calls sounded fake.

Chipmaster wrote:
I would also like to point out some more information that I have found in my popular science magazine this month. Cell phones constantly monitor their psition when you turn them on. When you attempt to call someone the phone sends its data as well as the number you dialed to the carrier's nearest tower which sends it to the MTSO. Now these MTSO's are not located at 10000 feet. They are very limited in range. In my town we have terrible reception. You normally have to walk outside to get a signal. AND the nearest MSTO is less than a mile away. Now you are going to tell me that people were able to make calls from within an alluminum tube, much further from an MSTO than me, while traveling over 200 mph, and all of them have perfect connections? To me that's seems a little unlikely.

But in the air, there is no terrain, no trees, and no buildings to block signals. There is not as much interference when a plane is directly above a tower as opposed to a person on the ground a mile away from it.

Chipmaster wrote:
Edit: @Jon if they thought it was a traditional hijacking, THEN WHY DID THEY GO TO THE TROUBLE OF TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE TERRORISTS?!?!? I remember watching a show on these calls on the History channel a while back. Many of the callers mentioned that they knew of the attacks earlier and they weren't about to become the next victims of a suicide attack.

Because they eventually figured out it was a suicide mission when they called other people on their cell phones. That news spread pretty quick, and that would probably be the first thing I'd tell a family member who called me from a plane saying they had been hijacked.
Jonathan_Pezzino wrote:
Chipmaster wrote:

Edit: @Jon if they thought it was a traditional hijacking, THEN WHY DID THEY GO TO THE TROUBLE OF TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE TERRORISTS?!?!? I remember watching a show on these calls on the History channel a while back. Many of the callers mentioned that they knew of the attacks earlier and they weren't about to become the next victims of a suicide attack.


Because they eventually figured out it was a suicide mission when they called other people on their cell phones. That news spread pretty quick, and that would probably be the first thing I'd tell a family member who called me from a plane saying they had been hijacked.
So what you're saying is that they knew of the other hijackings and that theirs was probably the same. So, how is this not a direct contradiction of your previous argument?
Jonothan_Pezzino wrote:
@Chipmaster: The callers obviously were able to keep their heads on their shoulders. They most likely believed it was a traditional hijacking, in which the terrorists hijack the plane, land it, and relase the hostages after a while. They probably figured out that if they called their loved ones and screamed their heads off, nobody would know what was going on and it would just cause their family members undue stress.
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Jonathan_Pezzino wrote:
Chipmaster wrote:
Yes, yes it is. A notable scientist conducted an experiment, as shown in the film. It conlcuded that the likely hood of a successful phone call goes down exponentially as the height of the plan increases. I think I remember the chance of a successful phone call being made was less than 1%. I think you can agree that the chance that all of those were successful were quite low. Now I know you aren't going to take my word for it so take these:
http://www.rense.com/general56/cellpp.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/phonecalls.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html

Well, if there are 100 people on the plane who are repeatedly trying to call, then a 1% on any given call means that quite a few calls are going to get through. If I recall correctly, I believe 17 calls came through. That's not an unreasonable number by any means.


the exact result at 32,000 feet that the study came up with is 0.006 - so if all 100 people tried to make a phone call, the combined chance that ONE call would work is 6%, making 17 successful calls extremely unlikely

Quote:
But in the air, there is no terrain, no trees, and no buildings to block signals. There is not as much interference when a plane is directly above a tower as opposed to a person on the ground a mile away from it.


Towers are on the ground, not 32,000 feet into the air. A towers range is limited, and remember, the plane is moving rather quickly. A signal would be very hard to keep for any length of time if one is able to be received at all. And there IS interference in a plane, it comes in the form of the big metal tube you are in and miles and miles of electric wiring that any modern plane has
Also, why were there no phone calls from the other hijacked planes. As you claim Jon, the passengers on those planes would have just thought it was a regular hijacking, like the passengers on the flight with the phone calls. Why would one flight have 17 phone calls and none from the others?
  
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